Self Defense
Why
Pay More?
Taking
Your Permit to Carry Course Shouldn’t Break the Bank.
How much should a Minnesota Permit to Carry course cost? The truth is, getting
a permit to carry a firearm in Minnesota can be very expensive, and
for some folks it can be too expensive, so they go unprotected.
Unlike several other states that only require that citizens be “law abiding” in order to carry a firearm, Minnesota requires that potential applicants attend a “Minnesota Permit to Carry a Firearm” course, conducted by an organization certified by the BCA. The cost for that course is left up to the individual training organization. One organization charges as much as $200 or more. At Plane Cents, LLC we believe that it’s your right to obtain a permit to carry a firearm, and that you shouldn’t be “priced out” of that right.
So what exactly do you get for $75 from PCSD? You’ll be taught all of the key things that will help keep you out of trouble in Minnesota, including the three key things that the state requires us to teach, including: Instruction in the fundamentals of pistol use; Instruction in the legal aspects of firearm possession, carry and use, including the rules governing the use of deadly force; and an actual shooting qualification. For a preview of the topics we’ll cover, check out our class primer. In addition to those topics, we’ll also provide you with the appropriate instruction and certificate that you’ll need if you’d like to apply for your Utah permit, you may also apply for Florida and Newhampshire which when combined with your Minnesota permit, will allow you to carry in 31 or more states. We do not make you meet at a motel for your class. We meet at sportsman's clubs, conference rooms and sometimes even my house. Oh I forgot Goose Lake Auto Parts -- you may think, a salvage yard? Well you have to see the lodge we meet in that belongs to the owners to believe it. If you can make one of these classes at Goose Lake, you will not regret it.
So what extra things are you taught by a training organization that charges $125 more than PCSD? Guess what? You get taught EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. They won’t teach you about a secret 5th rule governing the use of deadly force that only they know about (here’s a hint, there isn’t one), and you won’t be taught about a 5th universal safety rule that they invented that’s worth the extra $125 just to hear about it.
About Our Web Site
One thing you’ll notice about our web site is that we like having a dialogue
with our prospective and past students, including filling you in on our thoughts,
and what we’ve been up to lately. We might not look as fancy as eBay,
but then again, we’re not trying to sell you a Mercedes, or a piece of
toast that has the image of Jesus on it. We’re just trying to provide
a good product at a price that doesn’t break the bank. We might even
occasionally miss the spell checker as we keep our website up to date (for
example, we recently listed a class in “Boomington” instead of “Bloomington”,
but we thought that one was actually kind of funny). Then again, if a misspelled
word here or there really bothers you, we can direct you to an
organization who will provide pretty good spelling and grammar for a mere $125
extra. It’s
your choice, but we’re betting that the extra $125 would buy a lot of
practice ammunition.
About
Plane Cents, LLC
So you know by now that I'm a firearms instructor (to that end, I've had more
than 200 hours of formal firearms training, and am Minnesota Board of "Peace
Officer Standards and Training" (POST) Certified Range Qualifier), but
that's just the tip of the iceberg. Like most of my students, my interests
are far and wide. If you also share an interest in any of the topics below,
I'd love to trade stories about our joint interests.
Obviously, I am not a writer or a web developer. I do the best I can myself and spend as little as I can on such services. It could be argued that I should hire it out, I don't know. I keep my overhead low and pass the savings on to you. A few instructors take shots at me personally and my web site regularly. They judge my classes that they have never attended. My classes are about you and my success proves that. If you want to take a course that will make you feel like your special you’ve come to the right place. Call any of my references listed on my web site. Or call me @ 612-327-3490.
About Joe:
We simply ask you to compare what we offer:
If you are looking for this type of value in these tough times, you came to the right place. You can take the money you save and put it toward a gun or ammo to practice. The reason we have trained so many students is referrals.
Why is PCSD worth
the drive?
Here’s what you get from PCSD
• $75 for multi-state permit, includes but
not limited to Minnesota, Utah, New Hampshire and Florida.
• $55 for women includes same as above.
• $55 if you are full time college student. Free if accompanied by a paying
individual.
• Available training for levels beginner, to advanced street level self
defense hand gun training
• Classes in Bloomington, Waconia, Mayer and Glencoe and more locations
coming.
• Private weekday and week end classes including corporate discounts.
• Chance to see and handle wide selection of top of the line carry guns.
• Presented by an instructor who has been training since 2003, who is a
life time member at Front Site gun training institute a top facility and weekend
classes include my wife who is also a certified instructor.
People come regularly from: Rochester, Wisconsin, St Paul, Anoka, St Cloud
and as far away as Duluth to have their training done by PCSD. Why? Because
someone told them to who also was trained by us.
We now have free Ammo for the qualifying portion of the class. Go to www.guncarrypermit.com for details. We really want to do everything we can to help you afford to become a part of the Twin City Carry Course movement.
All women or full time students with valid ID are now on are just $55.00, this is for new or renewals. Free full time students if if you come with a paying student. I am trying to get more women and students in to the permit to carry mind set. All women just sign up as a renewal. Students sign up with the person you will be coming with. How is that?
NEW!! Private all day classes
9:00 am to 5:00 pm includes:
3 hours range work
Gun and ammo
Multi-state Permit course
Lunch
$250 per person "even one on one"
Call to schedule 612-327-3490
4 pack, 4 students for $225 for a multi-state permit.
$55 renewals and $55 women yes $55 for all women
Just
call me at 612-327-3490. I have trained well over 4000 students, most
of which were referrals.
Joe is a competent, well spoken, and skilled instructor whom
makes himself available to his students after the class via phone and email.
I have seen
this. Andrew Shapero former MADFI instructor.
http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2009/04/joe-penaz-carry-conceal.html
Visit the 1975 Benilde St Margaret's reunion site
http://www.bsmreunion.com/
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This is a real sad story about a guy who just does not get it. You do not have to read this if you do not want to. This is just something I have to do for all the good instructors out there, and there are a lot of them!
Why Is Joel Rosenberg trashing out so many other instructors?
There is a instructor named Joel Rosenberg (Twincitiescarry course)
who is a permit to carry instructor certified by MADFI, he claims to have trade
marked twin cities carry, when I asked him to prove it, because I was unable
to verify that, he never replied. So he went on a rampage against me and any
instructor that used the key words "twin city or cities carry" stating
that they ripped him off and he owned that phrase. I was using those in my
key words years before he did. That term is too generic and impossible to trade
mark when I researched it, if it was in fact ever trademarked by him! There
were also many other instructors doing the same, that is using that term in
their web sites.
Ask your self why would another instructor trash out, create parody web sites
and spend their money to tear down other instructors? No other
instructor does this except him. If other instructors were doing the same maybe
one
would
think, I should
pay attention to this.
He purchased my name joepenaz.com, yes he did! That is wrong
and unethical! He tries to use it against me with his internet troll work.
This is just
wrong. This is an undisputable fact. He once had some kind of virus time
bomb on a link installed on his parody site he told me to go there in an email.
I clicked on it to see new lies he was spewing, it started a clock that counted
down.
I
was
able
to
shut
down
my link before it could infect me. When I talked about this on my rebuttle,
he took it off and stated it was not harm full. Who knows? he removed it anyway.
This kind of crap is not funny. He
has
been
tormenting
and bashing me and other instructors with parody web sites
and his
personal
forum,
but
he
has
been
focusing on me, as he is obsessed with me. His antics and unprofessional
behavior has
gotten him removed all certifying organizations he was onced certified through
except MADFI, they
told me they have no right to stop him. Funny thing is all the other organizations
all of them, he claims to be multi certified through (and
that is just untrue, he is only
certified though MADFI, that we could find) let him go,
yes they gave him
the boot. They felt what he was doing was wrong and unethical.
He puts cards and information that mocks me and other instructors at guns stores, I have some of the cards he left at one such store mocking me I can send you a copy of this. Can you believe this? I recently found a 9x11 full page copy of his parody site mocking me that I took down at one of the gun stores that I have my class information at. This is so childish. This is what he does, he makes fun of law enforcement, local politicians and instructors for sport as it entertains him. I have a copy of a statement proving he said this on his forum once he does it because it amuses him? That's great hurt people with lies and ridicule because it amuses him. Well he has no one left, he has alienated him self from all the instructors, come to one of the breakfast's we have and see what the instructors think of him. Do you want to take a course from a guy who does this? No instructor I know of endorses his behavior.
He is not welcome at any instructor meetings or breakfast meetings that we the other instructors are welcome to. He feels that his classes are worth $200, who knows I certainly have not sat in at one of them maybe it is, but he has also never been to one of mine. He has not attended any other of the instructor’s classes that he trashes out either. I challenge you to find one other instructor, who does what he does, trash out other instructors? You can’t, he is all by himself. When you read the crap he puts out on the web ask yourself, why does he trash out his competition rather than explaining why his class is worth 2 or more times anyone else’s? He can’t. He just says he is the Man!
I have held hundreds of classes and thousands of students have sat through my classes. He does classes of 2 or 3 once a week if that. I say this because this is not about money. He does so few students a week (call the ranges and asked them they will tell you how few people he brings in with him) that no one even considers him competition. This is about what is right and wrong. What he is doing is wrong. He even monitors my site and publishes spelling errors, get real. Call any instructor and ask them what they think of Joel, you will be amazed what they say. I have a file 1” thick filled with his work for our records. No real business man or company I know of has found bashing your competition a valid business strategy unless they can't support the cost or quality of their product. I asked him to stop it, other instructors told him its not right and he needs to stop it and even the last certifying organaztion letf for him MADFI asked him to stop.
No one, I mean no one listens to him anymore, his forum lost so much traffic he shut it down. Everyone went to Mnguntalk.com. If you do not choose me, do not choose an instructor who behaves this way please. Go on the internet and visit his childish parody sites filled with lies about me and other instructors, and then try to find one other instructor who does what he does? There are a lot of good instructors out there, support them! The good instructors do not have to trash out their competition. He has hurt the instructor community, the carry bill and most of all himself with this behavior. Even the BCA considers what he does is wrong call them, as many people have called about him, see what they think about what he is doing..
For him it is all about the money, for Plane Cents Self Defense it
all about value and you! My wife and I have been doing these classes togther
from the start of the carry
permit
in Minnesota, longer than most every one.
We are not about money that is proven in our pricing. I make mistakes and so
do other instructors no one is perfect, we do not need someone like Joel
ridiculing us for things like spelling errors on our web sites. People who
do what he does, mocking and ridiculing them, do so because they are bully's.
Many instructors were afraid to say anything about him fearing he would start
trashing them. But finally he had no one left to support him and every one
turned on him.
Call me if you want a suggestion in your area for a good instructor
if I am too far out for you, I will have a suggestion for you. I work with
all the
other instructors not against them. They were on my side, not on his when
he turned on me. I thank all the thousands of students who have seen through
the crap
this guy puts up about me and other instructors, and still came to my class,
then refereeing people to me. It is you who have helped me grow the numbers
of law abiding citizens who want to exercise their right to carry. Oh, don't
worry, I won't try to sell you coffee cups, shirts and patches at my class
with the name of my business on them like he does. You
won't pay for my advertising ever!
Read more about PCSD @ http://www.guncarrypermit.com
Visit the 1975 Benilde St Margaret's reunion site
http://www.bsmreunion.com/